Posts by moggy lover

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God led me to the JW congregation.

by jw in

i rented a house in the late !970's and the contents in the home were given to me.. it happened to be books: ( making my life happy, revelation, children bible stories, listening to the great teacher ) i was enjoying the reading.. -----------------------------------.

a few years later began to notice awake magazines in doctor offices, and other public places and read them and enjoyed them.. ------------------------------------.

late 1980's my 7th son was 2 yrs.

moggy lover

Hi, jw, I am genuinely glad that you have been able to find spiritual fulfillment in your life. It is your right, and no person or group of persons acting in concert can relieve you of that.These values we share did not come by acident, nor were they assumed to be derived by some mysterious alchemy of natural development. One of the most fundamental Rights of Man, is the right to worship God in the path of your choice.

But those rights had to be fought for on the field of combat. I feel proud that my forebears [and yours probably] loved you so much that they were willing to spill their blood to ensure the survival and triumph of liberty. At that same time, when others answered the call, the JWs, as personified by the then President of the Wt movement, were mouthing empty and hysterical phrases designed to be sensationalist rather than edifying. The bigoted nature of those nonsensical pratings, made in the 40s, are now so utterly embarrasing, that his sucessors no longer even acknowledge them.

Since the WTS, being a closed system of authority, will not permit any undue curiosity on your part, you imperil your standing in the very system you owe aliegance, by giving evidence of reading previous comments made your religion. Your religion is one that neither permits nor encourages scrutiny. I sincerely hope that you do not discover that the Wt system is nothing but a raw instrument of power, excercised by flunkies to ensure the supremacy of a mysterious elite calling themselves the GB.

To maintain your continued existence in the JW movement, my suggestion to you would be to do EXACTLY what the leadership tells you to do, without either comment, or dissent. But, and this is a big but, PRETEND that you are doing those things because you thought of them.

And you can rest assured that when the torch of liberty needs to lifted up again in the face of an assault from our adversaries, we will be there to protect your right to worship the God of your choice.

Those who least appreciate freedom are those who do nothing to safeguard it.

Cheers

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Daniel Book

by 5thGeneration in

jw
friends

my super zealous father told me the other day how he just "loved" studying the daniel book for the second time.

he got "so much more out of it this time".

holy crap, give me a break!.

moggy lover

Hi, Zico, and welcome to the Forum

Ever since its founding back in 1879, with the publishing of the very first WT magazine in July of that year, the WT Society has indulged in all kinds of ignorant and extremist speculations, passing these off as "prophesies" One of their favourite pieces of theological nonsense is the way they have portrayed their [mis]understanding of the "King of the North"

Back in 1891, we have the first recorded description of this King made by the WTS: the publication entitled "Thy Kingdom Come" on pgs 39, and 40, identified this "King" as none other as Napoleon!! That was straight from the mouth of Joe Hoover, and if you respectfully disagreed, you were expelled from the "True" Fellowship.

This "Truth" lasted till 1942, when it was discovered that the same Joe Hoover had goofed, and it was'nt really Napoleon after all. It was in fact Kaiser Wilhelm of Germany along with his WW1 allies, Austo-Hungary and theTurkish Empire [The New World pg 324] The light was of course getting brighter, and the truth was getting "truther", so this was finally IT. Again if you disagreed you were out on your arse, mate. Why? Because this was Joe Hoovers WORD!

Naturally, with Joe Hoover "truth" is a flexible commodity, rather like being in a boat that is tossed about in the waves of different teachings, because in 1958, the "King of the North" changed yet again!! In the book, "Your will be done" we have these gems of information: "Jehovah's angel foretold further agression by the COMMUNIST King of the North, before his end at Armageddon" pg 300.

"The Soviet Union, the Communist power that since it seized power in Russia in 1917, has held world dominion as its aim to this day" pg 278.

The WTS were such marvelous prophets of God ["Jehovah provides his loyal servants with advance knowledge about this system's end" WT mag 1984, pg 8] that they were completely unaware that the King of the North, which was supposed to last right up to Armageddon, had in fact collapsed.

As they say, three strikes and you are out. Their prophetic "record" is a dismal ZERO.

This did not, however prevent them from writing another largish 11 page article in the WT mag in 1993, where they finally admitted that Joe Hoover did'nt know the identity of the "King of the North" - "Who is the King of the North? WE CANNOT SAY" [pg 22]

Truly did the prophet Jeremiah prophesy regarding these arrogant, selfserving and deceitful men " They are prophesying FALSELY in my name, is the utterance of Jehovah, I DID NOT SEND them" [Jer 27:15]

If you need more information, there is an excellent article written by BJ Kotwall, at "Shauns Research Site" on the web.

Cheers

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How many former JW witness current this forum

by PyroJoe in

jw
friends

it tough.

feelings are without explaination.

please allow me to feel others in grief.

moggy lover

27 years in

23 years out [since ' 83]

Cheers

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Do you miss fictional characters?

by Swan in

i just finished a 970+ page book this weekend, a breath of snow and ashes, and now i'm bummed.

i miss claire, jamie, brianna, roger, jemmy, ian, fergus, and marsali already.

it will be one to two years before i find out what other surprising twists are in store for the time traveling fraser family.. the lord of the rings was the same way.

moggy lover

I'm from the generation of British Empah days, when you opened an Atlas, and half the world was British Pink, and half the world of mankind spoke the pukka, King's English, of Queen Victoria's day.

And everyone was reading the Ripping Yarns of the frontiers of Empire, like those of H Rider Haggard. My favourite was Alan Quatermain. His adventures with She[who-must-be-obeyed] and Ayesha, the doe eyed beauty of the Serengetti.

<Sigh> Them were the dyes

They don't write literature like that anymore

Cheers

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Surgeons and JW Elders

by inbyathread in

five surgeons are discussing who has the best patients to .

operate on.

the first surgeon says, "i like to see accountants on my .

moggy lover

Or how about this one:

These three surgeons were discussing their most complicated operations they had performed

The first one mentioned his complicated heart operations.

Thats nothing, said the second, "Iv'e done some real complicated brain operations"

The third, an Aussie [Uncle Bruce's uncle, actually] said: "That's nothing, mate, you should have seen the tonsil operations I have performed on Jehovah"s Witnesses"

TONSIL operations????

"Yep" quote the Aussie, "The buggers keep their traps shut, so I had to use the other end!"

Boom Boom

Cheers

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The NWT....

by Sunspot in

is it really a scholarly translation?.

(excerps taken from) .

http://www.xmark.com/focus/pages/jehovahs.html.

moggy lover

The KIT came out in two seperate editions, one in ' 68 and the other in ' 85. Both editions have been allowed to go out of print and are no longer available from the WTS directly. You may get one of the editions in a second hand shop, or on Amazon.

Cheers

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Math Problem

by Scully in

a riddle for you to figure out

three kids go into a store to buy a picture frame for their mom for mothers day.

they find a frame that costs $30.

moggy lover

Darn ! I wuz gypped! I paid $31.50 for my frame from the same bloke, and he gave me nuthin' back.

Sniffles.....

Cheers

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Increase of war--staggering statements from the Really Teach book

by M.J. in

the "bible teach" book, on p.89 says:millions of people have been killed in wars during the past century.

one british historian wrote: "the 20th century was the most murderous in recorded history...it was a century of almost unbroken war, with few and brief periods without organised and armed conflict somewhere.

" a report from the worldwatch institute states: "three times as many people fell victim to war in [the 20th] century as in all the wars from the first century ad to 1899.

moggy lover

WOW! To both of you, MJ and Carla. With researchers such as you both, how can we possibly lose the war of information with the WTS? How the hell do you kids manage to pick up these sites which give the REAL story behind the hype of the Organisation?

The WTS absolutely revels in producing statistics, as if out of a hat, telling us how dreadful armed conflict is today, and how impossible it is to work out the ways of peace in our time. I would have had a greater respect for their articles if they volunteered to actually DO something to ease the pain of these conflicts, rather than gloat on the sidelines like a flock of vultures, scoring cheap doctrinal points over the suffering of others.

It is interesting to dovetail the two reserchers quoted by MJ and Carla. Of course, the objective behind the WT articles, is not to tell us the facts of the matter, but to reinforce the image that THEY alone have the true Bible perspective on war. How often, with monotonous regularity, have they quoted Matt 24:7 to tell us the end is coming day after tomorrow. The question is: Is this what we are seeing today?

The ignorant rantings of the WTS say :Yes. But both the researchers presented by MJ and Carla say otherwise. Both, the historian, Eric Hobsbawn, whose article is found in the "Guardian Unlimited" journal of Feb 23, 02, and the Human Security Centre report [part 5] bring out something that the WTS either, inadvertantly, or deliberately has overlooked.

Matt 24:7 tells us that , not just war per se, will usher in the last days, but INTERNATIONAL warS [plural] is what does it. If 1914 was the harbringer of the Last Days, there would have to have been international conflictS to tell us this. [Despite it being an inter-state war, it was, to quote the vernacular, the only game in town] This we did not see. Not only was there to be Nation against Nation, but also Kingdom against Kingdom. The WTS has always assumed this to be a singular conflict, but why should it be so? Surely Jesus was prophesying a global conflict within global conflict in a world wide catastrophe of unparalled destruction unknown in human experience.1914 will, in sum, be a blimp, and chicken feed in comparison to the coming conflict that Jesus warned about. [If, as most evangelicals, one takes Jesus words to have a fulfillment beyond the 1st C - I will concede that many feel that Jesus' words do not resound down through the centuries, having been emptied of fulfillment back then]

So, not just war per se, but international wars is what we are looking for, See any? Not according to the researchers quoted. While INTERNAL conflicts within nations may have marginally increased in our time, both reveal that International conflicts which are part of the last days have in fact DECREASED in our time. In other words, for Jesus words to have a measure of fulfillment today, He would needed to have said:"Nation WITHIN nation, and Kingdom WITHIN kingdom". Which of course He did'nt.

The uncomfortable conclusion that awaits WTS scrutiny is this: Either Matt 24 has been fulfilled to the limit of its prophesy in the 1st C, or it is still to be an unfolding drama in the not too distant future. But, there is no credible evidence, as presented by those two reports, that it is being enacted today.

Cheers

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Whats the price of gas where you live?

by JH in

jw
friends

i just noticed that minimus has a similar thread....i guess he knew that i was going to start this thread, so he started it a few days before me........... .

gas was $1.13 a litre last night and this morning its up uto $1.22 a litre.

so it's as if gas went up from $4.27 to $4.61 a gallon overnight.

moggy lover

Its $A 1.35 a litre in Western Aust = $A 6.21 a gallon

Cheers

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"Big Boards" Statistics re JWD

by Scully in

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friends

wow.

i'm so impressed!.

jwd's rank for unique daily visitors is 148th.

moggy lover

I am constantly being amazed at what an instrument of insight and wisdom and humour this JWD Forum is turning into.

In the rich and varigated tapestry of ideas presented here, from the urbane to the mundane, from the scholarly to the irreverant, from the thoughfull to the gratuitous we all are contributing to the forging of a voice of freedom that is reaching to the far corners of this globe. What we say here is impacting on the hearts and minds of countless people whom we will never meet in this life, yet it is instrumental in changing their lives forever.

A word, a turn of phrase, can alter a persons course to the better, and we will never know that we were responsible. Which is how it should be.

We are showing to the world of forced ideas, and locked minds, that debate is not disunity, and dissent is not evidence of disloyalty. Rather these are living and vibrant proof that a free people can think differently and still stand together.

Truth to tell, it gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.

Cheers